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	<title>Comments on: Leaked: New MultiLine IP Phone with IAX2 Support</title>
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		<title>By: Garrett Smith</title>
		<link>http://blog.voipsupply.com/leaked-new-multiline-ip-phone-with-iax2-support/comment-page-1#comment-60922</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Alex:

It was a big deal a few months ago when we leaked the information. Note the time stamp :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Alex:</p>
<p>It was a big deal a few months ago when we leaked the information. Note the time stamp <img src='http://blog.voipsupply.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://blog.voipsupply.com/leaked-new-multiline-ip-phone-with-iax2-support/comment-page-1#comment-60072</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Citel IP Phones - C4110  wow.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citel IP Phones &#8211; C4110  wow&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett Smith</title>
		<link>http://blog.voipsupply.com/leaked-new-multiline-ip-phone-with-iax2-support/comment-page-1#comment-57292</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ sean

There&#039;s no cloak and daggers. We simply like to have fun with product launches.

The phone is a Citel C4110. We&#039;ve already sold a few hundred of them and the response to the product has been great.

And just because you&#039;re not interested in the phone, doesn&#039;t mean others feel the same way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ sean</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no cloak and daggers. We simply like to have fun with product launches.</p>
<p>The phone is a Citel C4110. We&#8217;ve already sold a few hundred of them and the response to the product has been great.</p>
<p>And just because you&#8217;re not interested in the phone, doesn&#8217;t mean others feel the same way.</p>
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		<title>By: sean browne</title>
		<link>http://blog.voipsupply.com/leaked-new-multiline-ip-phone-with-iax2-support/comment-page-1#comment-57272</link>
		<dc:creator>sean browne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whats with all the cloaks and daggers, surely it&#039;s just another cheap chinese handset. I don&#039;t get why all the secrecy unless it is purely for effect? Unless it is a Polycom/Snom/Aastra I am not interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whats with all the cloaks and daggers, surely it&#8217;s just another cheap chinese handset. I don&#8217;t get why all the secrecy unless it is purely for effect? Unless it is a Polycom/Snom/Aastra I am not interested.</p>
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		<title>By: noname</title>
		<link>http://blog.voipsupply.com/leaked-new-multiline-ip-phone-with-iax2-support/comment-page-1#comment-56712</link>
		<dc:creator>noname</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>atcom tech support said AT620/AT620P has broadcom BCM1190 chipset inside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>atcom tech support said AT620/AT620P has broadcom BCM1190 chipset inside.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blog.voipsupply.com/leaked-new-multiline-ip-phone-with-iax2-support/comment-page-1#comment-37562</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 00:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you who were wondering about the chipset this phone uses the Broadcom Chipset.  It looks like an OEM version of the ATCOM AT620 phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who were wondering about the chipset this phone uses the Broadcom Chipset.  It looks like an OEM version of the ATCOM AT620 phone.</p>
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		<title>By: John Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IAX2 is now, by the way, an RFC supported standard.  RFC 5456 - http://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc5456.txt

Perhaps this phone is based on the AR1688 chipset (successor to the PA1688) which has IAX2 and SIP stacks built in.  I&#039;m surprised more devices don&#039;t exist that support IAX2, since this chipset is inexpensive and seems to have some good support from the supplier. 

http://www.palmmicro.com.cn/eproducts.htm

Or is this device a new chipset and software design?  Having a generic processing IAX2 platform on the market would certainly shift the game a bit.

Is there any XML or other control capability on the screen? Can Asterisk push text or other messages to the system?

JT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IAX2 is now, by the way, an RFC supported standard.  RFC 5456 &#8211; <a href="http://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc5456.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc5456.txt</a></p>
<p>Perhaps this phone is based on the AR1688 chipset (successor to the PA1688) which has IAX2 and SIP stacks built in.  I&#8217;m surprised more devices don&#8217;t exist that support IAX2, since this chipset is inexpensive and seems to have some good support from the supplier. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.palmmicro.com.cn/eproducts.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.palmmicro.com.cn/eproducts.htm</a></p>
<p>Or is this device a new chipset and software design?  Having a generic processing IAX2 platform on the market would certainly shift the game a bit.</p>
<p>Is there any XML or other control capability on the screen? Can Asterisk push text or other messages to the system?</p>
<p>JT</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Andrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cory Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yusuf - also worth noting....SIP has clearly and definitevely emerged as the defacto standard for VoIP in my mind.  I am not arguing that IAX2 will somehow usurp SIP as the encumbent protocol.  Those who are familiar with it will argue that it does have benefits over SIP in certain deployment scenarios, and it&#039;s nice to see it maintained and to see manufacturers continue to support it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yusuf &#8211; also worth noting&#8230;.SIP has clearly and definitevely emerged as the defacto standard for VoIP in my mind.  I am not arguing that IAX2 will somehow usurp SIP as the encumbent protocol.  Those who are familiar with it will argue that it does have benefits over SIP in certain deployment scenarios, and it&#8217;s nice to see it maintained and to see manufacturers continue to support it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Andrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cory Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yusuf - I could expound on the virtues of IAX2 versus SIP, but why not get the rundown from the gentleman who is behind it.   Here is a summary of comments originally posted on VoIP-Info.org by Mark Spencer himself.

1) IAX is more efficient on the wire than RTP for any number of calls, any codec. The benefit is anywhere from 2.4k for a single call to approximately tripling the number of calls per megabit for G.729 when measured to the MAC level when running trunk mode.

2) IAX is information-element encoded rather than ASCII encoded. This makes implementations substantially simpler and more robust to buffer overrun attacks since absolutely no text parsing or interpretation is required. The IAXy runs its entire IP stack, IAX stack, TDM interface, echo canceler, and callerid generation in 4k of heap and stack and 64k of flash. Clearly this demonstrates the implementation efficiency of its design. The size of IAX signaling packets is phenomenally smaller than those of SIP, but that is generally not a concern except with large numbers of clients frequently registering. Generally speaking, IAX2 is more efficient in its encoding, decoding and verifying information, and it would be extremely difficult for an author of an IAX implementation to somehow be incompatible with another implementation since so little is left to interpretation.

3) IAX has a very clear layer2 and layer3 separation, meaning that both signaling and audio have defined states, are robustly transmitted in a consistent fashion, and that when one end of the call abruptly disappears, the call WILL terminate in a timely fashion, even if no more signaling and/or audio is received. SIP does not have such a mechanism, and its reliability from a signaling perspective is obviously very poor and clumsy requiring additional standards beyond the core RF3261.

4) IAX&#039;s unified signaling and audio paths permit it to transparently navigate NAT&#039;s and provide a firewall administrator only a *single* port to have to open to permit its use. It requires an IAX client to know absolutely nothing about the network that it is on to operate. More clearly stated, there is *never* a situation that can be created with a firewall in which IAX can complete a call and not be able to pass audio (except of course if there was insufficient bandwidth).

5) IAX&#039;s authenticated transfer system allows you to transfer audio and call control off a server-in-the-middle in a robust fashion such that if the two endpoints cannot see one another for any reason, the call continues through the central server.

6) IAX clearly separates Caller*ID from the authentication mechanism of the user. SIP does not have a clear method to do this unless Remote-Party-ID is used.

7) SIP is an IETF standard. While there is some fledgling documentation courtesy Frank Miller, IAX is not a published standard at this time.

September 2006: Now there is an IETF Draft to be discovered at http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-guy-iax-01.txt October 2006: IETF Draft for IAX2 to be discovered at http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-guy-iax-02.txt Sometime between: (the version 03 was published in the mean time) March 30th, 2008: IETF Draft for IAX2, version 4: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-guy-iax-04.txt

8) IAX allows an endpoint to check the validity of a phone number to know whether the number is complete, may be complete, or is complete but could be longer. There is no way to completely support this in SIP.

9) IAX always sends DTMF out of band so there is never any confusion about what method is used.

10) IAX support transmission of language and context, which are useful in an Asterisk environment. That&#039;s pretty much all that comes to mind at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yusuf &#8211; I could expound on the virtues of IAX2 versus SIP, but why not get the rundown from the gentleman who is behind it.   Here is a summary of comments originally posted on VoIP-Info.org by Mark Spencer himself.</p>
<p>1) IAX is more efficient on the wire than RTP for any number of calls, any codec. The benefit is anywhere from 2.4k for a single call to approximately tripling the number of calls per megabit for G.729 when measured to the MAC level when running trunk mode.</p>
<p>2) IAX is information-element encoded rather than ASCII encoded. This makes implementations substantially simpler and more robust to buffer overrun attacks since absolutely no text parsing or interpretation is required. The IAXy runs its entire IP stack, IAX stack, TDM interface, echo canceler, and callerid generation in 4k of heap and stack and 64k of flash. Clearly this demonstrates the implementation efficiency of its design. The size of IAX signaling packets is phenomenally smaller than those of SIP, but that is generally not a concern except with large numbers of clients frequently registering. Generally speaking, IAX2 is more efficient in its encoding, decoding and verifying information, and it would be extremely difficult for an author of an IAX implementation to somehow be incompatible with another implementation since so little is left to interpretation.</p>
<p>3) IAX has a very clear layer2 and layer3 separation, meaning that both signaling and audio have defined states, are robustly transmitted in a consistent fashion, and that when one end of the call abruptly disappears, the call WILL terminate in a timely fashion, even if no more signaling and/or audio is received. SIP does not have such a mechanism, and its reliability from a signaling perspective is obviously very poor and clumsy requiring additional standards beyond the core RF3261.</p>
<p>4) IAX&#8217;s unified signaling and audio paths permit it to transparently navigate NAT&#8217;s and provide a firewall administrator only a *single* port to have to open to permit its use. It requires an IAX client to know absolutely nothing about the network that it is on to operate. More clearly stated, there is *never* a situation that can be created with a firewall in which IAX can complete a call and not be able to pass audio (except of course if there was insufficient bandwidth).</p>
<p>5) IAX&#8217;s authenticated transfer system allows you to transfer audio and call control off a server-in-the-middle in a robust fashion such that if the two endpoints cannot see one another for any reason, the call continues through the central server.</p>
<p>6) IAX clearly separates Caller*ID from the authentication mechanism of the user. SIP does not have a clear method to do this unless Remote-Party-ID is used.</p>
<p>7) SIP is an IETF standard. While there is some fledgling documentation courtesy Frank Miller, IAX is not a published standard at this time.</p>
<p>September 2006: Now there is an IETF Draft to be discovered at <a href="http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-guy-iax-01.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-guy-iax-01.txt</a> October 2006: IETF Draft for IAX2 to be discovered at <a href="http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-guy-iax-02.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-guy-iax-02.txt</a> Sometime between: (the version 03 was published in the mean time) March 30th, 2008: IETF Draft for IAX2, version 4: <a href="http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-guy-iax-04.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-guy-iax-04.txt</a></p>
<p> <img src='http://blog.voipsupply.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> IAX allows an endpoint to check the validity of a phone number to know whether the number is complete, may be complete, or is complete but could be longer. There is no way to completely support this in SIP.</p>
<p>9) IAX always sends DTMF out of band so there is never any confusion about what method is used.</p>
<p>10) IAX support transmission of language and context, which are useful in an Asterisk environment. That&#8217;s pretty much all that comes to mind at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Yusuf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yusuf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the benefit to using IAX2 over SIP?</description>
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